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Status of Bench Testing of GS inverts.

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1 hour ago, The Blind Wolf said:

How much lead way do the GS inverter have if it hits 6k?  I mean most things like the drier kicks ona nd off for a minute or two then kicks off.  was wondering if you came up with a max lmiite time or is it base on temp and time?

This is kinda a "not tested" area; it's pretty much a software hard limit right now with a small time delay.  Voiding the warranty disables this--but obviously, if the inverter fails if being taken beyond the design limit, that's why it's a warranty-guarded feature.


   
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This is kinda a "not tested" area; it's pretty much a software hard limit right now with a small time delay. Voiding the warranty disables this--but obviously, if the inverter fails if being taken beyond the design limit, that's why it's a warranty-guarded feature.

Well, didn't know how long you had before it would shut down while still under warrenty.  Either way I don't think I got much to worry about, its going to be the question of how much more power am I going to need to make to keep it running no ne stop 24/7 😛


   
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Posted by: @the-blind-wolf
Well good news, my AC kicked on, the Water heater kicked on, I was cooking something with my air cooker, and only used 8120 watts. come to find out the AC only uses 2371, I was looking at how much power it used as of today. the water heater is 4500. so I'll be good even if I run the drier I'll be pushing it, but it be on the edge of the max power.

2.3Kw running means likely a 2 ton unit. Ours is a bit weird as it is a 2.5/3 ton with a 2 ton evaporator. Everything on is about 3kWh if a normal, not doing anything day. As for the trailer units, I used one to cool a railroad car so I could work in it. Normal load was 50 Amps with a 60 Amp breaker on 240 Volts.  But for heating that car there was a 30kW 3 phase unit. When in government service, they didn't worry too much about heat as the transmitters were each rated a 3kW RF output and were tube units. I say units because they had two of them. The two generators were also plumbed to the heating unit in the duct and the car also used steam heat when in a train. One generator was always running when the train was moving.


   
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Posted by: @sid-genetry-solar
Ah, the good ol'fashioned brute force method 😉. Gets the job done for sure.

I use the quick and dirty method. One in the head. In the barn, it is a cyanide charge down the hole followed by covering the hole with dirt. And waiting at any hole the smoke shows up out of.


   
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Working on code...adding generator start, and numerous tweaks/upgrades.  Still want to get that mDNS and other functionality in there ;-).

Did a test on a bench inverter with the Rev. A.1 control board, and the firmware that's in the GS inverters that went out.  With the transformer forwards, the "load level" entry was between 0-2.  With the transformer backwards, "load level" went to -7.  Not exactly centered on the calibration...and also very easy to flip negative with a weird-PF load (causing the GTM Regulate Fail error).

But with the auto-calibrating function on the commercial project test inverter 2 days ago, I know that when I test this new firmware on the A.1 board, I'm expecting to see +7 with the transformer forwards, and -7 with it backwards.  Which should solve the GTM Regulate Fail error.  (Still adding a "disable" feature for that function, just in case!)


   
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8 hours ago, Sid Genetry Solar said:

Working on code...adding generator start, and numerous tweaks/upgrades.  Still want to get that mDNS and other functionality in there ;-).

Did a test on a bench inverter with the Rev. A.1 control board, and the firmware that's in the GS inverters that went out.  With the transformer forwards, the "load level" entry was between 0-2.  With the transformer backwards, "load level" went to -7.  Not exactly centered on the calibration...and also very easy to flip negative with a weird-PF load (causing the GTM Regulate Fail error).

But with the auto-calibrating function on the commercial project test inverter 2 days ago, I know that when I test this new firmware on the A.1 board, I'm expecting to see +7 with the transformer forwards, and -7 with it backwards.  Which should solve the GTM Regulate Fail error.  (Still adding a "disable" feature for that function, just in case!)

Nice, so does that mean the Dasy is worki ng now on the gs invert?  or you pushing for the other features before sean bench test?


   
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Posted by: @the-blind-wolf
Nice, so does that mean the Dasy is worki ng now on the gs invert? or you pushing for the other features before sean bench test?

Working on it.  Trying to get all the relevant features finally added, tested, daisy being one of them.


   
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On 5/3/2021 at 2:01 PM, The Blind Wolf said:

Well good news, my AC kicked on, the Water heater kicked on, I was cooking something with my air cooker, and only used 8120 watts. come to find out the AC only uses 2371, I was looking at how much power it used as of today.  the water heater is 4500.  so I'll be good even if I run the drier I'll be pushing it, but it be on the edge of the max power.

You could trim your useage high limit by changing out the water heater elements to 3500 watts, gives you a bit more cushion & not much difference in time it takes to make hot water.


   
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On 5/9/2021 at 4:53 PM, Bossrox said:

You could trim your useage high limit by changing out the water heater elements to 3500 watts, gives you a bit more cushion & not much difference in time it takes to make hot water.

I wonder if they make 500 watt model?  I mean the water heater only gets used once for a show and then either for washing cloths or dishes, other then that, I think a simple slow heating would save power 


   
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54 minutes ago, The Blind Wolf said:

I wonder if they make 500 watt model?  I mean the water heater only gets used once for a show and then either for washing cloths or dishes, other then that, I think a simple slow heating would save power 

You can run it on 120 volts and it will use 1/4 the power as it will at 240 volts. But ultimately you won't save anything because it takes the same amount of energy to heat a gallon of water to a given temperature at 500 watts or 10 million watts. What changes is the time that it takes.


   
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52 minutes ago, The Blind Wolf said:

I wonder if they make 500 watt model?

My tank's element is nominal 1.8kW at 240VAC so I feed it with a 120VAC inverter which works out at about 450W.  Applying Ohm's law etc let's you work all this out.  Your 4500W 240V element would have a resistance of about 12.8 ohms.  Put 120V across that and you get about 1.1kW.

Make sure you can still put enough power (kWh) into the tank to heat the required amount of water to the required temperature.

 


   
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Posted by: @inphase
You can run it on 120 volts ...

Hahah, beat me to it by seconds 🙂


   
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Sid, is there a way to have the screen rotated counter counter clockwise 45 degrees?  I'm going to have the AC terminal to the left and the battery terminal to the right, this will allow for a better connection on batteries, instead of up and over, I can connect dirctly from the side 


   
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3 minutes ago, The Blind Wolf said:

Sid, is there a way to have the screen rotated counter counter clockwise 45 degrees?  I'm going to have the AC terminal to the left and the battery terminal to the right, this will allow for a better connection on batteries, instead of up and over, I can connect dirctly from the side 

Huh?  LCD rotated by 45 degrees? 

I must not be getting what you mean...the LCD is flush with the top of the inverter.  Actually in the same location as a Power Jack LCD.

I actually have my bench setup the same was as you are mentioning...battery terminals on the right, AC terminals on the left.  This is "upside down" for the LCD, but I've put a screen-flip function in the settings, which not only flips the LCD graphics upside-down, it also reverses the button functions to match.

Shouldn't be any problem.


   
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2 minutes ago, Sid Genetry Solar said:

Huh?  LCD rotated by 45 degrees? 

I must not be getting what you mean...the LCD is flush with the top of the inverter.  Actually in the same location as a Power Jack LCD.

I actually have my bench setup the same was as you are mentioning...battery terminals on the right, AC terminals on the left.  This is "upside down" for the LCD, but I've put a screen-flip function in the settings, which not only flips the LCD graphics upside-down, it also reverses the button functions to match.

Shouldn't be any problem.

well flipping is only going to keep the words sideways not up and down ways..  the gs will be hung horizontial .


   
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