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Wish the inverter had a way to install more tempture probs to monitor some stuff. like wire temp. bus bar temps and such. I'll setup a load test, while its running I go and monitor the DC side of things. I don't want to throw a load so high that for some reason I don't have neough wire size to handle it and then cause a fire. So far with all the bolts and nuts tighten down I've not had any heat issue thus far.
Technically there are 4 unused temperature sensors internally. But it's definitely not recommended to "break these out" for external temperature sensing--as any electrical mishap or mistake with those sensors will pretty well instantly blow the inverter's processors out. Don't ask how we know 😉.
BUT...while Genetry inverters have been designed chock full of features, they can't wash the kitchen sink. There are limits to what can reasonably be expected from an inverter.
The manual for the machine isn't so useful, at least the ones I found, but it really makes me wonder if the unit has power reduction signalling support (describe it as you like), ie it can take cues from the electricity supply to lower its demand in response to the electricity company saying 'throttle back', to moderate high power network utilisation / shortfalls.
Well it says on the sticker energy effecent washer. . . The dang thing is so light I can pick itup and throw it out the door if need be. . .
Actually its so light it makes the GS inverter seem like a tank. . .
9 hours ago, TheButcher said:The manual for the machine isn't so useful, at least the ones I found, but it really makes me wonder if the unit has power reduction signalling support (describe it as you like), ie it can take cues from the electricity supply to lower its demand in response to the electricity company saying 'throttle back', to moderate high power network utilisation / shortfalls.
That would be highly interesting to identify/figure out. Because if there's a standard specification for something like that, it'd be imperative to make sure the inverter doesn't inadvertently "throttle back" devices connected to it.
That would be highly interesting to identify/figure out. Because if there's a standard specification for something like that, it'd be imperative to make sure the inverter doesn't inadvertently "throttle back" devices connected to it.
do you want me to take the panel off the back and take a bunch of pictures for you sid?
A lot of the newer stuff (I say newer as less that 10 years old) has input power sensing. Some have GFCI and other safety features to ensure the unit fails within the time window the manufacture specifies. One thing that you could maybe try is connecting a 100-200W incandescent light bulb on the same circuit to see if its a regulation issue or a run capacitor across the supply to see if it is a power factor issue because it is mostly an inductive load when the motor or any of the valves operate. The grid is going to have a far larger capacity for any inductive loads but that is weird that the PJ unit didn't have an issue.
If it has a VFD which I can't seem to find a decent manual on it to tell, it could also be harmonics generated by the VFD interacting with the inverter load regulation. Odds are the washing machine also has under voltage and over voltage protection built in so if it tries to start and quits I would maybe look at under voltage even for a fraction of a second maybe causing issues with load regulation in the inverter so the controller in the washing machine is being way to temperamental about it. Its hard to tell but if it runs with a resistive load like a large incandescent bulb or space heater attached, its likely a load regulation interaction issue. If it runs with a start capacitor across the supply it is likely a power factor issue.
Huh, Sean was talking about the split phase on the video and saying use 6 gauge wire? Oy, that is one thick wire if that is the case, I'm useing two 10 if they heat up at all then I'll go down but, geesh 6 wow, I hate to know that price for that size. just for 15ft of 10/3 was nearly $60 bucks.
That would be highly interesting to identify/figure out. Because if there's a standard specification for something like that, it'd be imperative to make sure the inverter doesn't inadvertently "throttle back" devices connected to it.
I haven't seen demand reduction on a washing machine before, but you never know what is really inside the box until you look. A washer that can heat the water may well have it. The standard is generally referred to as DRED (nice acronym) here but the underlying signalling is up to the particular electrical authority. It seems to be ripple on the mains in my state, but others have trialed 3G mobile (cell) phone comms. Basically anything goes so long as the manufacturer is prepared to support it. PLC, Zigbee, you name it.
Mostly I've come across it with airconditioners so checking what signalling aircon uses (if any) in The Blind Wolf's area would probably be a good search to start with.
3 hours ago, kuhrd said:Odds are the washing machine also has under voltage and over voltage protection built in so if it tries to start and quits I would maybe look at under voltage even for a fraction of a second maybe causing issues with load regulation in the inverter so the controller in the washing machine is being way to temperamental about it.
My Bosch front load washing machine reacts to significant voltage reduction by stopping the drum for a few seconds (until voltage recovers) if it happens to be rotating at the time. I found this out while trying to provoke the nasty trace I posted in the off topic section of the forum. It may also stop water heating, but that's much harder to detect.
9 minutes ago, TheButcher said:My Bosch front load washing machine reacts to significant voltage reduction by stopping the drum for a few seconds (until voltage recovers) if it happens to be rotating at the time. I found this out while trying to provoke the nasty trace I posted in the off topic section of the forum. It may also stop water heating, but that's much harder to detect.
Well, I hear it click ona nd off, on and off, just plugged in, not even starting it. plug into grid, click once and thats it stays on. my ac runs 122.8, we got the master at 120 I think, and the slave is something, I think its about the same as the grid, yet it does the exact same thing, so its something to do with the inverters them selves, the PJ didn't do this. the only thing the pj did when running the washer was cuss me out when the washer did it spin up and you could hear the coil scream and the fan kicked on which it had a fan sort of like the gs did, and you could hear the fan ramp up and down when it was running during the agigtation stage, it was funny to hear the power slump. was real bad when I had it on lead batts.
4 minutes ago, The Blind Wolf said:Well, I hear it click ona nd off, on and off, just plugged in, not even starting it. plug into grid, click once and thats it stays on. my ac runs 122.8, we got the master at 120 I think, and the slave is something, I think its about the same as the grid, yet it does the exact same thing, so its something to do with the inverters them selves, the PJ didn't do this. the only thing the pj did when running the washer was cuss me out when the washer did it spin up and you could hear the coil scream and the fan kicked on which it had a fan sort of like the gs did, and you could hear the fan ramp up and down when it was running during the agigtation stage, it was funny to hear the power slump. was real bad when I had it on lead batts.
Still somewhat stymied. Unless it thinks the GS voltage regulation is too slow. Unlikely for as small of a load as the washing machine is.
Still somewhat stymied. Unless it thinks the GS voltage regulation is too slow. Unlikely for as small of a load as the washing machine is.
Well, when ever you are ready to tackle it, maybe it needs a update of some kind I odn't know, My hands are tied. Your the maker, I'm just a peon that is waiting for a fix 😛 I just now fix my solar, found out I had a bad wire that wasn't working, not sure why, still looking at the wire, ran another set of wires and have no problem, though the blue I have not try seeing if I can revive it, looking at solar chargers now, my everford is pushin 40a and making my batts charge real quick quicker then the gs can charge.
Well, I have to say, don't know what the differance is today, other then I finally got my solar array up and going, and well doing all sorts of things from cooking to washing dishes now washing cloths and well the washer didn't even histate at all thus far. this is on the master same as always.
I don't know, Sid you should be able to see it working now, just started the load.