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(@thebutcher)
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Of course PCB manufacture in China has its risks.  While it's not much of an increment sending the layout to China along with the component load list makes it just that little bit easier for Chinese 'Uncle' to rip your product off.  Once upon a time it required a board to be obtained, wiped clean of components, then photos taken of each layer then direct optical copies of the boards could be made.  Over time this has ratcheted up the ladder with digital cleanup of the pictures; having someone sit down and reproduce the layout in tape (remember tape?) or in a design program but now, now we just send them the layout files.

They are eating something, that's for sure.

A question Sid, just out of curiosity, do you get the micro loaded with firmware over in China or does Sean do this as part of his setup?  I know it's possible to use encrypted files that the micro itself decrypts as it's loaded etc but those files aren't uncrackable as many people have found.

 

It's not just the USA that has priced itself out of its own market, the same thing is seen around the world.  Consumers demand cheap, companies demand maximal profits, inevitable result is send it to Asia, hoping around and landing on Japan, Taiwan, Korea, India etc etc and at this point in time China.  This is nothing new.  Money has been chasing cheap places to manufacture since the concept of money and manufacturing came into existence, see also industrial revolution.


   
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So, what are we looking at here, a perpetual motion machine?


   
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well I' would like to get as much made in America as possible, 

I understand the cost cutting savings by buying from the CCP slave market,

I would just rather support Americans as communists


   
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8 minutes ago, InPhase said:

So, what are we looking at here, a perpetual motion machine?

No not at all, just a generator, according to the U.S. Patent office, perpetual motion doesn't exist.

Hense the solar panel and battery charger, it HAS to have an outside power source.

lets call it an overunity machine.


   
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lets see, it takes about 650 watts to run the motor,

and the generator heads put out 5,000 watts each.

it's a generator, that's all it is....


   
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lets see, it takes about 650 watts to run the motor,and the generator heads put out 5,000 watts each

It is not a perpetual motion machine  for sure  but  4350 watts is  missing  and I do not know where .   The  battery needed to run the Aims inverter  and  the VFD  that is power by the Aims  may be where the  4350 watts is lost do you think ?   Otherwise  you can call it an overunity machine ? 

 

 

 


   
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Posted by: @skip
No not at all, just a generator, according to the U.S. Patent office, perpetual motion doesn't exist.

 

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lets see, it takes about 650 watts to run the motor,

I didn't see a solar panel. All I saw was some motors turning a generator, all powered by batteries. So is this generator intended to use the 350 watt motor powered by batteries to turn the 5000 watt generator? 


   
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Posted by: @thebutcher
A question Sid, just out of curiosity, do you get the micro loaded with firmware over in China or does Sean do this as part of his setup? I know it's possible to use encrypted files that the micro itself decrypts as it's loaded etc but those files aren't uncrackable as many people have found.

Programming is done here in the States.  Yeah, I'm not about to send a HEX file overseas for them to program (and then find out how it compares with their product).  Every time they say, "But we can not test the inverter before ship", I say, "As long as it's manufactured to our specifications, just send it."

 

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lets see, it takes about 650 watts to run the motor,

I've seen so many purported "free energy machine videos" on YT that it isn't funny anymore.  Now, I do believe that there is the possibility of over-unity (i.e. producing more power than is inputted)...just I haven't seen any non-fraudulent (or just not outright misleading) videos of such setups yet. 

From my personal experience making an elevator (for a treehouse, hehe) with a 1/2hp 90v brushed DC motor from a treadmill...the efficiency there is roughly 75%.  In other words, if you put power into one motor, and use another one as a generator...you end up with 1/2 of the power that you put in.  (In my case, the power generated from descent was 50% of the power requirements for ascent of the same load.)

If this contraption is indeed a functioning proper example of over-unity, then I am very much intrigued.


   
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One way or the other the energy coming out has to come from somewhere.  It may not come from the torque of the input motor, but from somewhere it comes.  A motor consuming average 350W and turning a generator can never produce more than 350W average out of that generator unless there is another undocumented / unnoticed source.  I have seen examples of people fooling themselves into thinking they are achieving more out than in, but only because they were looking at instantaneous readings.

Still, nothing wrong with tinkering even if it all comes to naught.


   
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Most of the "energy generator" videos on YT are someone belt-driving a 12v DC car alternator from a 120v synchronous AC motor and supposedly wiring them together, "look, free energy!"

That's electrically not possible.  Not only does the synchronous motor require 10x the voltage (and is less than 60% efficient on a good day), its rotational speed is directly frequency dependent--and the alternator is best case a 3-phase screamer by comparison.  Not gonna work.

 

Most of the people showcasing such setups on YT aren't powering their house with said machines (because they don't work).  What's instead happening is that they're cashing in on millions of views from people who think that the Holy Grail of power has been discovered.  Found one of those videos from India, then clicked on the channel video history--and it was REALLY obvious what was going on.  Their videos only got a few hundred views each until they put out a "free energy" machine--which had several million views.  Well, a couple more actual real practical videos later (only several hundred views each), they tried another "free energy" video--and bam, again several million views.  Last I checked, they were only uploading videos of increasingly nonsensical setups with further impossible supposed output powers--just for the YouTube views and money.

 

BUT I still hold out that there's the possibility that some certain setups might actually work.  I just haven't yet seen any of them.

I would consider a far higher probability of "magnet power generators" actually being able to work, though.  That should just require a lot of out-of-the-box thinking and engineering.

 


   
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Posted by: @skip
well I' would like to get as much made in America as possible,

Understood, and I completely and totally agree.  That's why final assembly and testing of the inverters is done here in the States.  WiFi boards are partially manufactured in China--final parts assembly, programming and testing is done on my desk.  I could pay a Chinese manufacturer to do the through-hole parts soldering--but for the $15/board that they'd charge for that service, I might as well pay someone here in the States to do that.  Assuming they can do 4 boards/hour, that's $60/hour...not bad!  Only issue is that it's a VERY part time job dependent on the number of inverter orders.

If it was a question of a 10-30% margin (or maybe even up to a 50% margin)--you'd better believe I'd have everything manufactured here in the States.  But instead it's a 1,000% margin...umm...that can't be ignored.


   
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